The standing armies and constabularies of the period enforced the religious edicts of their various and sundry lords and masters. So, it is no wonder that our cousins would not want to join in on the festivities.
Why should they want to persecute their brethren? Remember the only thing the Church of Rome, the Luthern's, Calvinists, ect. In America, we inherited the English tradition.
The Royal Army of England did not have the reputation of repression that tranished the armies of the Continent. So, the carrying of arms in defence of the country is without censure amoungst most Baptists of the Anglo-American tradition.
ChozGod New Member. Joined: Jun 20, Messages: 92 Likes Received: 0. What about the Amish, I know they too range in their degree of conservatism but how are they different in doctrine? Pennsylvania Jim New Member. Joined: Oct 8, Messages: 7, Likes Received: 0. As a generalization, the Amish teach salvation by works. The more liberal Mennonites teach practically nothing. The theologically conservative Mennonites, I think, are not too far from IFB's except for the pacifism deal.
Conservative Mennonites shun politics while liberal Mennonites generally are leftists and Marxists. Of course in between are to be found both varying degrees and exceptions. In the meantime in Smyth died, and it was not until , after the group had continued their separate worship in the bakery of Jan Munter , a Waterlander Mennonite, that they were finally admitted to full membership in the Mennonite congregation.
But, due to language difficulties, the English branch of the church held their separate worship for some years, until their children learned the Dutch language, when they became an integral part of the congregation. The London church, in turn, usually known as the General Baptist Church because, like the Mennonites, they espoused the Arminian theology which held that Christ's atonement applied to all mankind, including children, and not only to the elect few as maintained by the Calvinists, developed certain religious practices and beliefs distinct from both their Amsterdam brethren and the other Mennonites.
Among other points of difference they declared that the magistracy was a divine institution and that the Christian was not forbidden to take a part in it. They also disagreed with the Mennonite view rejecting the oath and war. Anticipating the later Quakers , they also maintained that a layman, in the absence of the regular pastor, might preach and administer baptism and communion. A lively correspondence, mostly in Latin, was carried on with the Amsterdam Mennonites until well into the middle of the 17th century, asking for closer fellowship between the two churches and suggesting complete union.
But the Mennonites, because of these conflicting views mentioned above, refused the union; and so the English Baptists and Dutch Mennonites after this each went their own way. In the meantime, there had been another independent Baptist movement in England, usually called the Particular Baptists, because, unlike the General Baptists, they had adopted Calvinistic views. In Henry Jacob, a university graduate, leader of a separatist movement, exiled for a time to Zeeland, Holland , where he may have come in contact with the Dutch Mennonites, returned to London as leader of a small independent church.
A division in this group in led to the formation of another Baptist group, which decided to adopt immersion as the only acceptable mode of baptism.
In this group sent one of their number, Richard Blount , to a Collegiant congregation in Holland, likely Collegiant Mennonite, to receive immersion. Although the two wings of the church, the General and Particular, remained in close fellowship, agreeing in the main on fundamental Baptist doctrines, including immersion, they maintained their independent organizations until their final union in England in The growth of the Baptist movement during the first century in England was steady though slow.
The first congregation in Wales was organized , but none in Scotland until near the middle of the following century. During the Commonwealth period, Baptists were among the most influential of the Independent groups, and played a conspicuous role in Cromwell's army. With the Restoration in , at which time they numbered about 20,, they suffered severe persecution, but under the Toleration Act of they were granted greater liberty.
Like the Quakers and the Mennonites of their day, their insistence upon religious toleration was never popular with the state churches. Among their distinct doctrines were: 1 church membership based on adult confession of faith, and consequent renunciation of infant baptism ; 2 separation of church and state; 3 freedom of religious conscience; 4 congregational church government; and 5 immersion as the only Scriptural mode of baptism.
Following the Wesleyan revival at the close of the 18th century, the English Baptists entered upon a period of steady expansion throughout Europe and the non-Christian lands. In they organized a foreign missionary society and sent William Carey, the pioneer missionary, to India. Soon after, they established the Sunday-school movement, a foreign Bible society, and tract and publication societies. By the middle of the 19th century they had begun congregations in most of the European countries and British colonies, in Germany in , France , Denmark and Sweden , and Italy About the same time they gained a considerable following among the Russians, mainly among the Stundists.
Spurgeon, the famous London preacher The Baptist Church in America started independently of the English movement, but about the same time. Roger Williams is credited with being the first of the faith in America. Three years after his expulsion from Massachusetts, he sought rebaptism at the hands of a Separatist, Ezekiel Holliman, whom he then in turn baptized, together with several others, thus founding at Providence, Rhode Island, the first Baptist church in America.
Roger Williams did not remain a Baptist, however. Within a few months he deserted his fold to become "seeker. In Mark Lukar, a Welsh Baptist immigrant joining the Newport group, introduced immersion, which finally became th accepted form of baptism for the whole American Baptist Church. The movement gradually spread to other colonies, into Massachusetts in ; Maine ; Pennsylvania ; and later into Virginia, North Carolina, and other southern colonies.
Because of their insistence upon complete separation of church and state, the Baptists were extremely unpopular during the Colonial days in those colonies where state churches were well established especially in New England and Virginia. They were often fined and jailed for their stubborn refusal to conform to the demands of the state church. A conspicuous case is that of Henry Dunster, the first president of Harvard College, who, because he espoused the Baptist doctrines, was expelled from the college, and publicly reprimanded by the ruling authorities for his act.
It was only in Baptist Rhode Island and Quaker Pennsylvania that Baptists were granted a measure of religious freedom. With the adoption of the Federal Constitution, Baptists, as well as all other religious groups, were granted complete religious toleration. Especially, do they believe the same in the matter of salvation? Mennonites are an evangelical group descended from 16th century Anabaptists , who in turn rejected infant baptism and required those baptized as infants to be re-baptized with public confession of sin and faith.
In terms of the fundamentals of the faith, such as one God in three persons, the deity of Christ and the Holy Spirit, the Bible as the inspired Word of God, man created in the image of God but fell into sin and depravity etc. Where they differ is in the ordinances and social ethics. In terms of social ethics, they emphasize a radical separation from the world, community discipline, non-resistance or pacifism , and purity of life and holiness.
Christians are to be open and transparent in life, ever speaking the truth, and employing no oaths. As a year old Mennonite I was interested by this article. It is important to note that there are Old Mennonites and more modern Mennonites. For example, no women in my congregation wear head coverings as this article implies.
However, there are more conservative groups of Mennonites who would still require their women to wear coverings. I was unaware of the ordinances of foot-washing and the holy kiss. My congregation has done foot washing on rare occasions to remind us to be servants as Jesus was a servant to his disciples. In the South, Mennonites might be confused with Amish, or at least stereotyped for their conservative dress and simple lifestyles.
Neither will simple lifestyles. The Mennonite and Baptist traditions have intersected at various points throughout their history. Historians still debate Mennonite influence on Baptist origins.
The majority of historians, however, see the earliest Baptists—Smyth and Thomas Helwys—as products of Puritan Separatism. Mennonite scholars also debate Baptist impact on Mennonite history. German Baptists nurtured the nascent Mennonite Brethren now 25 percent of the worldwide Mennonite population movement in 19th-century Russia.
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